Izabela Marcisz: I Don't Have to Prove Anything to Anyone

She rarely gives up because she is aware of the price of success. Young, talented, hardworking, ambitious, with the spirit of a rebel. Who else is Iza Marcisz? What does she think about the skiing infrastructure in Poland? What qualities, according to her, should a cross-country skier possess? Is there room for being an influencer in professional sports? Gabriela Koziara invites you to a conversation with the cross-country skier.

To start, tell us where you are currently and at what stage of preparation you are, because the season is about to start.

Currently, I am in Finland. As I do every year at this time, I choose Muonio. It's near the Arctic Circle, so every morning I greet reindeer 😊 It's still autumn in Poland, but here it's already real winter, everyone feels the holiday spirit. Far from home, from family, but already on skis. In fact, it's the last call before the season, as there's less than a month left. Time flies very quickly, I remember just finishing the hardest camps, because preparations for the season are based on the summer period. Now it's the final touches, skiing on snow, gaining agility. Summer preparations and roller skiing have their own rules. It's a bit different technique, different push-off, both in skating and classic. On skis, you need to catch lightness, the moment of push-off, that's why we're in Muonio. The previous camp was in Ramsau on the glacier. In the mornings, we were skiing, in the afternoons, roller skiing. When we were coming down from the glacier, we entered a different world, which was summer and twenty degrees. Here, it's real winter, and it's a sign that the World Cup inauguration is just around the corner.

Which stage of preparations for the winter season is your favorite?

Gosh, I don't think I have a specific one. Starting from the spring period – then there's relaxation, but it depends on how your season went. Because if it was great, you celebrate, enjoy, have a moment for yourself to relax and rest. However, if it didn't go well, it's not entirely pleasant, you feel guilty that you could have done better, but when you snap out of it, summer comes. In the summer period, there are very heavy trainings, long camps, a lot of trips, really hard work. This year, I spent a lot of time in Zakopane. In total, almost three and a half months. For some, it would be very depressing to spend so much time in one place, on such a long camp. Then you really need to arm yourself with patience, perseverance, and train with the awareness that winter is coming. It changes over time because other burdens come, more mental ones. You feel emotions, knowing that the competitions are approaching, that you will face competition side by side, that you will have to prove yourself and show that you worked through the summer as you should have.

If I'm honest, my favorite period is the so-called BPS, which is the last camp before the main event. Although there is a slight stress and nervousness then, that I could do better, but I give it 150%, I go all out, and I go to the main event to compete and achieve the highest possible places. That's why those 2-2.5 weeks before the target competitions are my favorite time.

You mentioned that you try to give 150% of yourself to prepare as best as possible for competitions. Are you one of those athletes who need to be held back because they want to work too much, or can you find a balance and train moderately?

Opinions are divided. My closest people, those who know me not only from the sports side, say that I need to be held back, that I want too much, too fast. And when you want too fast, there comes a moment when you're tired and don't want to do anything anymore. That's why finding a balance is sometimes difficult. In this, the coach plays a big role, to be able to slow down the athlete when needed, and at other times to motivate them to work.

In endurance sports, it's a bit like a sinusoid. If you want too much and too fast, you have to be aware that you won't last long like that, and there will come a moment when you'll be tired, you'll hit a wall, and you'll need a complete reset. You need to have good people around you who know you, who will come at the right moment and say, "Hey, you're good, you can do it, put on your shoes and go training," or "Hey, stay home, today you're supposed to sit on the couch." Athletes often have blinders on and see only what they want to see. Sometimes you have to take a step back to see a bit more. That's what the people around us are for, and it's worth appreciating them.

You brought up the topic of Zakopane. I remember how Justyna Kowalczyk-Tekieli during her professional career pointed out the problem of infrastructure in Poland. There weren't many places for safe training for a long time. You probably also encountered this problem as a junior. How would you compare the current level of training conditions to those from a few years ago?

During the first year when I joined the Olympic team, we ran on a track of just under 2.5 km at the Central Sports Centre in Zakopane. It was an old asphalt, overall a disaster. Over the next four years, a new surface was laid, the track was widened, and full lighting was provided. This year, part of the track was closed due to the expansion of the speed skating track, so I can forgive them for that :)

I would be a hypocrite if I claimed that there has been no progress. As I mentioned, I spent a total of 3.5 months training in Zakopane this year. There are conditions for roller skiing and ski walking. Yes, some trainings had to be done on public roads, but now there's also a track at the biathlon center in Kościelisko-Kiry. It's a bit less demanding than the one at COS because it has fewer uphill sections, but you can still do a tough workout there, even though it's flat. There's no rest there.

Things are progressing, it's evident that Zakopane is making an effort. In the center, we have new equipment, there are treadmills funded by the ministry where you can roller ski – that's a huge plus. If someone is focused on doing VO2max tests, then there's also a hypoxia zone. It's becoming a base for skiers, even for snowboarding or ski jumping. It's creating a kind of winter capital of Poland, and I can honestly say that if you need to prepare in Poland, Zakopane is the ideal place at the moment.

In your hometown of Korczyn in Podkarpacie, you can also observe the development of ski trails.

That's right. I must admit, I'm very proud of that. It's also somewhat my little success because when I started achieving better results, my dad along with the municipality, which was heavily involved, reactivated trails that once existed. European Championships were held there, there was a shooting range, a complex of trails where major events were held. Unfortunately, I think for political reasons, it was wasted, so I'm glad that I was an impetus to do something. The municipal authorities saw that people were interested in cross-country skiing and loved spending time that way.

At first, my dad reactivated a 2.5 km trail, then came the lighting, and then a new snowmobile. It all moved forward in small steps. Now they've received substantial funding, over a million zlotys, to add a roller ski track, clean up the trail, build facilities with changing rooms, toilets, and a small catering point for the winter season. It's a dream place, with a microclimate where snow still lies at the end of spring. When I visited my parents after the season, I could do an hour-long skiing session. So, if we have such places in Poland where you can train at the end of spring, we need to appreciate and take care of them. I'm very grateful for that because even though I'm not there anymore, I don't live there, whenever I come home, I always bring skis and poles, and I have somewhere to go for training. I no longer have to create the trail myself, as we did when I was a kid. We had to go out an hour earlier with my dad, tamp down the snow so our poles wouldn't sink, so we wouldn't knock our teeth out on molehills. Those times are gone, it's like prehistory, and I'm glad that kids who are starting to "crawl" on skis now have better conditions than we did.

Based on my own observations, I can say that the cross-country skiing community in Poland has grown significantly in recent years. Besides Polana Jakuszycka, which has always been a symbol of cross-country skiing in Poland, there's also Obidowa in the Nowy Targ municipality.

Exactly, Obidowa deserves to be highlighted. The way this resort has developed over the past two years is amazing. Although it's small, the trails are prepared perfectly, illuminated – it's all very professional.

What is it about cross-country skiing that despite the difficulties and sacrifices it entails, people want to engage in it?

This sport is a bit like our life. We have people around us every day who support us and sometimes help us, pat us on the back, or even give us a smile. However, life is a battle that we fight alone. That's exactly what it looks like in cross-country skiing. I'm alone on the trail. My biggest rival is myself. If I overcome my demons and crises, I win. However, if the people from my team don't prepare my skis, don't support me on the trail, during training, or anywhere else, then I won't be able to start and fight for the top positions. Yes, you're talking to me now as an athlete, but behind me, there's a team of people supporting me so I can have this conversation with you. That's how this sport works. We fight for our name, to be as high on the list as possible, but despite everything, we need support. It's not just in cross-country skiing but in every discipline. However, here it's something special, something very difficult that combines many physical and mental aspects. You have to be really tough because it's a discipline for true rebels who still want to prove that it's possible. It's a bit like defying reality, especially in Poland.

I must admit that I have often encountered statements that cross-country skiing is a light, undemanding sport. However, it is actually considered one of the most difficult due to the training loads and the engagement of almost all muscle groups simultaneously.

Let me give you an example. Once, I was invited to a cross-country skiing training session for children. I agreed because I had time. It was a sports club, so I thought we would have some fun, maybe organize a little competition. The point is for children to learn coordination, balance on skis, get used to it, learn the technique. These are the most important things.

So, I said we would have a competition, specifically relay races. And this one relay race, lasting a maximum of ten minutes, immediately showed who was suitable, what character they had, what predispositions. Out of a group of fifteen kids, only two were suitable to continue with cross-country skiing. I'm not saying this negatively, but it proves that people who compete in cross-country skiing are the ones who grit their teeth and even though it hurts terribly, they run to the finish line. You just switch off your thinking and run. Even though your legs are burning, everything hurts, and you feel like you can't make another move, you do it because you won't give up. These two kids who could continue in skiing didn't give up until the end. They endured the final uphill stretch because they knew they had to cross the finish line first. They knew they had to prove something to themselves above all. Because it's not like I have to prove something to someone else. I've already overcome that way of thinking, and I'm my only rival. But despite everything, it's difficult, and in theory, much easier than in practice.

There were some misunderstandings in the women's cross-country skiing team last season, which became most pronounced just before and during the Olympics. Would you like to comment on this to dispel doubts and clarify under whose guidance you are currently training?

Regarding last year and all these "conflicts," I'm a bit sad. Firstly, because everything was highlighted in such a way and came out during such a major event. I had already reported the situation much earlier. I openly stated my expectations, so I felt very bad that this responsibility fell on me because that shouldn't really be the case, that everything falls on the athlete. Especially since I gave certain signals that were dismissed. I had to take matters into my own hands. I traveled with the team all the time, but before the Olympics, I had to decide which direction I was going. Either I have something to do, or I don't because such childishness is not for me. However, after Beijing, certain things were publicized, so they had to be explained, which also cost me a lot of nerves and struggle.

Now I'm following training plans by Justyna Kowalczyk-Tekieli. I also collaborated all summer with my sister because as we know, Justyna has a young child, so she wasn't available enough to travel with me to every camp. My sister Ewelina took over this role and was the pillar of all these preparations. When I came and said it was tough, she supported me and boosted my motivation with words like, "Hey, you can do it! You have to get up in the morning, go for a warm-up. And don't complain."

At the moment, I've connected with the main group, but I'm still following my own plan. I'm a bit sad that Ewelina isn't with me because decisions are not currently going my way. I'm just glad that I have Justyna's training support and we are in constant contact with each other.

The role of my sister was significant in my athletic life. Ewelina blazed some trails, showing that success can be achieved through hard work.

I think it's a bit different. Both of my sisters were into skiing. Both had tremendous talent and potential. Each had something different to offer. My oldest sister Marcelina achieved very good results, but at some point, it stopped going in the right direction. Marcela had a predisposition for sprints, while Ewelina leaned more towards long-distance skiing. What I'm getting at is that there are no two identical bodies; everyone is different. In high school, when I thought about giving up running and doing something else, I received a message from Justyna. She invited me to her first training camp with her and coach Wierietielny, who were forming a new group at the time. I thought to myself, "Why bother?" but my oldest sister Marcela came and said, "Go, see for yourself, maybe you'll like it, maybe this is it." So, I went to the camp without any commitment, but if it weren't for her, I don't know if anyone else would have persuaded me to go. On the other hand, without Ewelina, I wouldn't have achieved such results because I wouldn't have had equipment like skis, boots, service, etc. These things were a sort of link, even for national-level competitions. For me, it was always an experience because when it comes to competitions, you have to win. My sisters always helped me, each in their own way. The oldest encouraged me: "Go!" Ewelina always gave me motivation, took me to national team camps when I was younger. She provided me with skis, she gave me new poles because this sport is also costly.

My parents did what they could, but when my sisters were able to help them because they saw that I had potential, wanted to do it, and had good results, they were always there for me.

Your family is heavily involved in cross-country skiing. Were you somewhat destined to pursue a sports career, or was it your sovereign decision?

My parents come from cross-country skiing backgrounds. Both of my sisters skied, my brother as well. I grew up in this environment, watching every day as my siblings came back from school, threw their backpacks in the corner, and went training. So, I don't know if you can say that I chose this. It was kind of imposed on me.

My dad was a coach. Sport is the number one topic in our house. Come home for holidays – sports. Call the parents – sports. Maybe not with my mom because I have a relationship with her that I built for a long time, but my dad has a heart for sports. Maybe it's also because of his unfulfilled dreams, and for him, everything is for sports. Every activity has to bring a final effect for sports. I don't want it to sound negative; he's just oriented that way, and it has always been like that. I competed in my first race when I was two years old. I couldn't even walk properly yet, and I was already skiing. So, from the beginning, my dad had the approach that I should do big things. I don't know how it will turn out because sports are unpredictable. Different things happen, but it's my dad's dream. My mom wants me to be happy, and my dad wants me to do big things and be happy.

Did it ever cross your mind to choose a different sport? What were you good at as a child?

If someone is good at skiing, they're good at any sport. Maybe not right away, but after a few training sessions, they'll catch on. Speed, mobility, flexibility are predispositions of cross-country skiers. I also played badminton and volleyball, but I couldn't go all out because, as I said, my dad was fixated on skiing and still is. So, any other sports in his mind meant injuries. Therefore, I trained in other disciplines, but only at home. At school, it was always no-holds-barred, kicking each other's ankles, so it really could increase the risk of injuries.

Now, sitting here at twenty-two, I understand it, and I'd probably do the same. But try to explain to a ten-year-old girl that she can't go to volleyball competitions because she'll damage her knee or get a bruise. It's pedagogically difficult to accept, and as a child, I didn't understand why others could do it and I couldn't. It didn't cause physical injuries, but it left a mark on the psyche because it created a sort of rebellion.

Last year, during a training session, you had an accident on roller skis. Initially, the news about your shattered jaw somewhat shocked the fans, but you bounced back pretty quickly. In one of the interviews after the incident, you mentioned that both your teeth and your spirit survived. How important are such painful yet valuable lessons in an athlete's life?

Let's start by saying that such an accident is not just embarrassing for an athlete, but also for a woman. On top of that, there were headlines on the internet like ‘She’s got her teeth knocked out.’ What hurt me back then was that such information appeared in the media space without being confirmed and was based on some speculations. Sometimes people say things too quickly or add their own stories. I remember that right after the surgery, I made a post on Instagram. It was totally out of character for me, because normally, I wouldn't have addressed the situation, but because I felt bad reading those headlines, I wanted to tell everyone: ‘Hey, I still have all my teeth, I’ll keep smiling with my own teeth.’ So, I posted a picture and wrote a light clarification of the whole situation, because it really became a big deal.

It was a serious accident. I only realized it when I entered the ward in the hospital in Krakow and it turned out that my jaw needed to be wired shut. I won't lie, it hurts a lot and I wouldn’t want to go through something like that again. At first, I thought my teeth had shifted, and it would just be a matter of stitching up my chin. I froze when, still slightly dazed from painkillers, I heard I would need surgery. I reacted quite emotionally, but luckily everything was quickly arranged. Within three hours, I arrived in Krakow straight from training, in the same clothes from Slovakia. I dashed into my apartment, grabbed what I needed, and went straight to the hospital.

I spent the entire weekend confined to bed, and on Monday, I was taken to the operating room. I encountered great people. The doctor approached the situation very professionally, and he put my jaw back together so well that now you can’t see anything. There’s just a scar and two titanium plates inside. Practically after three weeks, there were no traces left, except for some slight swelling. I had to be on a liquid diet for three months, but maybe that worked out for the better.

What lesson did I learn? There was a moment when I heard the word ‘surgery,’ and I was a little terrified, but when the doctor came and said I would need to hold on for a week and a half, the stitches would be removed, and I could return to training, I calmed down. I treated it as a temporary break from training. I just had to promise the doctor that I would endure.

It was tough. After three days of sitting on the couch, a huge crisis hit, but then I started using Compex, Normatec, massages to keep my muscles moving. The worst thing for an endurance athlete is sitting still. It’s a strain on the heart. The body doesn’t know what’s happening. Fortunately, I had support from my mom, who was with me during that time. As soon as the stitches were removed, two days later, I went to a training camp in Zakopane.

I asked you about this lesson because, generally, accidents or injuries toughen up athletes. These kinds of experiences are a sort of test for your psyche, and depending on how you handle it, how you react, it shapes your future sports career.

I believe that some things don't happen without a reason. If something happens, it’s just meant to be that way. What influence did I have over it happening? I couldn't turn back time. It happened, and I could only accept it and face it. The doctor gave the recommendations: for a month, I had to do this and that, then stitches, rehabilitation. You just have to adapt to the situation. I could have just wasted my energy by sitting and lamenting. At that moment, it was just meant to be. I was supposed to take a week and a half off because I had worked very hard the previous year. The training volumes were heavy; I didn't let the idea of vacation or a few days off into my mind. Since I didn’t let that into my head, eventually, it happened the way it did. I approached it thinking, ‘Oh well, forced vacation – I won't die from it, and that’s that.’

Your approach is still somewhat rare in today's times. Considering how much we hear about depression in sports and how athletes are often treated as winning machines, it's not easy to understand certain situations, and you have this ease in comprehending such situations, which is a characteristic that sets a standard.

Oh, I wouldn't want anyone to label me as a model. It's just a way of thinking that I've worked hard on. At that moment, I came to terms with the whole situation. I didn't go to the national team camp; I went to Zakopane instead. Even though I could only do light training for a week after having my stitches removed, I knew I had to go to camp to keep my daily routine intact. I couldn't do, for example, a 2.5-hour roller skiing session, but I would go for a walk at 9:30 and feel like I was preparing for training as usual. I'd come back from training, have lunch, take a nap, go for the second training session, maybe another walk. The idea was not to get lazy and disturb the training regimen. I wanted to leave home as quickly as possible so that there wouldn't be thoughts like I'm sick or have free time. Usually, my returns home and the time spent there are seen as breaks, relaxation time between camps, and I didn't want to get into such a situation.

You made your debut at the Olympic Games last season. For you as a young athlete, it must have been a huge experience, but also a learning opportunity. What did Beijing teach you?

I've said many times before that I imagined the Olympics differently in terms of atmosphere. Everything was closed off, generating a lot of stress. I'm not even talking about the races themselves, but the daily COVID tests, people in hazmat suits, masks. It was somewhat uncomfortable. People were afraid of each other.

What did the races themselves teach me? When I was going to Beijing, I probably didn't even believe myself that I could ski and achieve such results. I sort of wanted it, hoped it would happen, but it was like 85%. I knew I would have to compete in all events. However, I openly communicated that the team sprint was uncertain – I said I wouldn't be able to race everything. Of course, they did what they did, and I ended up racing in everything.

When I finished the 30 km race at the Olympics, I just burst into tears, not because I was satisfied with the results, not because I made my Olympic debut. I was just proud of myself. I cried out of helplessness because I was completely exhausted. I couldn't believe I had done it because even the best skiers don't race all distances. I sat down, cried because it was a huge experience for me.

Then there were the U-23 World Championships in Lygna and the 4th place I got there, which was disappointing for me, but then I thought maybe it was too much. I don't know if I would want to experience that again in the future. It was very taxing, and I think I did it because I wasn't fully aware of how big of a challenge it was. On the other hand, I went there to compete. However, sometimes it's better to focus on one event and give it your all. I'm not sure yet what conclusions I've drawn from those Olympics. I'm certainly pleased with my debut, but that's already in the past. Now, I have a new season ahead of me. I'm not someone who likes to dwell on the past. It's important, of course, because you make history, but life goes on, and you have to keep up with it.

Let's move on to the virtual world. How do you manage your social media presence? Do you have someone helping you with that, or do you handle your profiles yourself?

Everything I've posted so far, I've done independently. I consider it to be hard work. If someone manages social media professionally, it's really troublesome. I try to be genuine. I don't have a calendar where I schedule posts. If I have something interesting to say, then I post it. Of course, I have a few agreements that require me to meet deadlines and create appropriate content. In those cases, the company often helps me by providing materials that I can use.

Collaborations determine a certain level of my content, but I have the final say on what gets published. I try to be authentic because if I were to portray myself differently than I am in reality or show something I don't identify with, it's a lie, and lies have short legs.

How do you select the collaboration proposals you receive? What criteria do you consider?

Contrary to appearances, there aren't that many offers. I think there would be more, but as athletes, we don't have too many opportunities, and I wouldn't like to go into details here. Nevertheless, a few offers have come up, and I turned down some because they didn't resonate with me. I won't do something solely for the money because that's not what it's about. If I have to tell someone, "Hey, this is great!" and in reality, I don't use it, it's dishonest for me. If I see something that I would actually use, or something that interests me, then I might agree to such collaboration. But I'm waiting for a few offers that I would really like to accept, but I can't say what they are :)

Do you use social media as a tool to build your brand, a positive image, or do you largely focus on showing a piece of your sports life?

These two things merge into one. On social media, I want to show a part of myself, what I do because I separate sports matters from private ones. There are people who know me only privately, there are people who know me only in terms of sports, and then there are those who know both my "incarnations". Opinions are very divided, so on Instagram, I try to show myself in a combined version. That's how I would like to present myself to people and motivate them to ski, to lead an active lifestyle. Because if you show people that you can actually spend time actively, they observe you and start to imitate. So it's also a tool for building an image, but it's certainly not my direct goal. I want people to see me and just smile, have positive associations, and good energy. That's all it's about because nowadays people lack smiles.

You mentioned that some people know you privately, while others know you as an athlete. As far as you can answer, what are the differences between Iza - the girl known to close ones, and Iza - the athlete known to fans?

As an athlete, I'm constantly working, developing, moving forward. At the moment, if someone knows me only from the skiing side, I would describe myself as binary. Either I do something or I don't. If I take something on, I do it from A to Z, and if I know I don't want to do it or I have to do something just for the idea, I don't do it. I guess I'm somewhat of a perfectionist, which isn't entirely positive. Because if I take on something, I try to do it as best as I can, and it frustrates me when I can't do it my way. This can be partly justified by the fact that I do an individual sport, and here everyone works for themselves.

Privately, friends say I'm crazy, always smiling, trying to be positive. In sports, I'm constantly focused on the task, but there's an inner child in me that sometimes wants to laugh and have a good time. Sometimes I swing from one extreme to another. So those who know me from both sides have the best understanding :)

With the successes you achieve, your popularity automatically increases. Have you noticed a significant increase in the number of followers?

I didn't pay too much attention to it, but the Olympics certainly contributed to that. There was a moment when many people were talking about me, all the races were analyzed, the 16th place that brought joy because there haven't been such results for a long time. My recognizability increased, many more people knew who I was, hearing the name Marcisz. Let's be honest, people see me in interviews on TV, all bundled up in winter, with a hat, hood, so when I introduce myself later, they don't believe it's me. They react like, "Oh my, it's you! You look completely different than on TV." It still works like that because I hardly have any summer interviews. There are too few of them. But they recognize me by the name, that it's me, "that skier."

I think this may also be because you're being compared...

You don't have to finish that question. Comparisons are constant and often very direct statements that - personally, I think - are not appropriate. Because they're often questions like: "Will you be better than Justyna Kowalczyk? Will you manage? Oh, cross-country skiing, I remember. Justyna Kowalczyk." It's too direct. I'm sorry, I'm Izabela Marcisz. As if I'm standing here, not thin air. I try to avoid answering questions on this topic because I'm me. I have my own work to do, I write my own story, and sometimes it's better to leave certain questions and statements unanswered than to explain them every time.

Does Justyna herself talk to you about these topics, trying to warn you about certain issues, suggest what to do and what not to do in terms of media and image?

No. As I said, it's an individual sport, everyone creates and shapes their own character. That's why I appreciate that I can do certain things my way. Everyone has to make their own mistakes. You can warn someone, suggest what to do in a given situation, but there are things for which you are responsible for in your life alone.

Can an athlete be an influencer? Do you think there's room for that in professional sports?

Difficult question. It depends on the discipline, the person, the approach, and how much self-discipline you have. Personally, I wouldn't call an athlete an influencer. Definitely not a professional one. If you do something as a hobby, you have time to show it. If you do something professionally, you don't always have that time, and you shouldn't always dedicate it to such activities, especially if you create the content yourself.

What are your plans for the upcoming season? Are the World Championships in Planica a priority on your competition calendar? Or is something else your number one plan?

Every year, around the same time, I repeat the same thing. It's hard for me to comment on this matter. At the moment, I'm thinking about the U23 World Championships in Canada. This is the last year when I can represent our country in this age category. In Planica, there's a 10 km freestyle race, there's a skiathlon, and it's a nice track. I've definitely made some progress compared to last year, but the first races will verify me. Once I get into the competition mode and get warmed up, I'll know more about my form. That inner competitive beast is somewhere inside me, hidden for now, waiting for me to wake it up :)

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